Friday, February 22, 2008

Why have I started this Blog?

Well, I'm using this blog because I've recently started posting on someone else's Blogger. I am thinking that in case any one should read my comments and want to know who the heck I think I am, they can come here to see what I'm about.

I posted on one of my xangas a response to some videos I recently watched on NBC's website. They were of Ray Comfort and Kirk Cameron debating the existence of God on live television.

The wrong way.

There are basically five overall problems with the methods that they used.

Firstly, never ever claim that you can prove God's existence without using the Bible, only to turn around and quote the Bible. Ray and Kirk did this in the opening statements, even before the actual debate started. Once you claim to be able to do something, you will be held to it by those who are trying to prove you wrong, and failure to follow through is a mark against God, not you.
It's a really bad idea to try talking about God without using the Bible to begin with. At some point, you have to describe the God that you're discussing. What is the authority on God's Character? Where do we, as Christians, go to discern truth from lies concerning the creator of the universe? What is the "yard stick" by which we measure all other experiences in our faith?
The canon. The Bible. talking about God without it is not likely to ever be a successful endeavor.

Secondly, realize what kind of person you're talking to, and adjust your speech accordingly. Talking to scientific people in "Christianeese," or overtly spiritual terms, is always a bad idea. Things get lost in translation. It produces an image of "holier-than-thou." It creates a separation between the believer and the nonbeliever to whom they are speaking. That is a devastating mistake, because no one cares what you know until they know what you care.
What the heck does it mean when you say "God is eternal," "He dwells outside of time?" People in Christianity know, but nonbelievers who haven't been surrounded by the Christianeese terms may not be thinking the same thing we are.
Also, if you meet a person who is overtly spiritual, then talking in scientific terms is a bad idea. You have to adjust your speech to the person you're talking to.

IF YOU KNOW THAT AN IMPORTANT CONVERSATION IS COMING, YOU'D BETTER BE PREPARED FOR IT! I can't describe to you how angry I was that Kirk and Ray were so unable to answer simple questions as "Who created God?" "But the Bible says that you will be forgiven for whatever you ask forgiveness for, right?" Most of their questions were based off of scriptures that are taken out of context.
If you're "preparing" for a conversation, know what the other side thinks as much as possible. If the other side has a WEB SITE ON THE INTERNET, then look at it and base your points around their beliefs.

A woman took a statement that Ray made which was something like "It's clear that God made man because man's body is designed so well," and asked the obvious question. "If God designed humans so well, why is there cancer?"
Now, if you look at this woman as she's asking, it is very clear that this is a personal question. This woman is hurting. She is in pain. The absolute worst thing to do in this scenario is to take an obviously personal question, and generalize it. Rather than direct your answer to the world, direct it to her.
Let me explain this further. Ray started his answer by looking at the entire audience and saying "There is suffering in the world because..." and the woman repeatedly interrupted him and said "NO, NOT suffering, I'm asking about CANCER!" He did this two or three more times, with the woman interrupting him two or three more times before he finally asked the woman to stop butting in. Yeah, he used those words.
The way to help a person in pain is to treat them like a real person. Look her in the eyes, and talk about why there's cancer in the world. Don't talk to the world about all of the world's suffering. Talk to her about her suffering. That's the way to bring people healing.
People don't care what you know until they know that you care.

Throughout the entire ordeal, Kirk and Ray gave off copious amounts of holier-than-thou vibes. There is nothing wrong with showing the world that you're a new creation. There is nothing wrong with telling people that without God, they are sinners. It's all about how you do it. That's what makes the difference. If you impress people with how righteous you are, they won't care what you have to say.
Because people don't care what you know until they know that you care.

It amazes me that these kinds of Christians get so much publicity. I was thoroughly embarrassed when I finished watching that debate. I was angry at the way Ray and Kirk handled the situation. I really hope that, through this blog's connection to Ray Comfort's blog, people can see that not all Christians are like that.

2 comments:

Anonymous said...

Hey there, found your blog through Soap Box, naturally...

Which televised debate are you talking about, this wasn't the one on Nightline was it? But then, it must have been, NBC certainly wouldn't have asked them back after that performance.


I empathize with your disappointment with Ray Comfort. I've also been forced to use my blog to write against him on a number of his worse occasions, although I've taken to not commenting on his blog. Check out my Open Letter to Ray here.

Sry, I g2g. SAT tomorrow and I need to rest, lol. Nice blog, btw, although the color formatting could use a little work.

Anonymous said...

Hey Rob,

I've been a long-time reader of Ray's blog (after a referral from fstdt.com) and take a lot of entertainment from the back and forth between the various bloggers there as an armchair theologian.

I must say that I think you are dead-on in your assessment of the debate and Ray in general.

I often wonder how many of the Christians posting on Ray's blog really agree with what he says (and how he says it) and how many just agree because he's a Christian and is therefore more right than any atheist could possibly be. Fact.

There certainly seems to be a lack of critical thinking going on for the most part and I think you're right in your points where you say that this actually hurts more than it helps.

I enjoy reading your comments and I think it's great that you have the integrity to hold Ray's feet to the fire (no, not THAT Fire!) when the occasion demands it.

Keep up the good thinking; the world needs it.
Matt